Posts by Joe Grundy

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A question

by JeffT in

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friends

has anybody ever written bethel and just flat out asked for an accounting report on the society's finances?

we all keep batting around speculation about the wtbs and money, and actual information seems non-existent.

what would they do if somebody asked for a financial statement?

My interest in this area is because before I retired (10 years ago) as a cop I spent ten years in command of a police Fraud Squad/Financial Investigation/Money Laundering unit. 'TNF' or 'Trust Nobody' was the motto.

Time and time again con-men repeated the mantra 'Con your family and friends first, because they're the easiest'. Numerous times, con-men had preyed on, or infiltrated in order to prey on, religious groups to find a rich new field of victims. After all, 'if brother xxx is 'one of us' of course we can trust him'. Sadly not.

The 'golden rule' in all of this is 'follow the money' - and this can be quite complicated. It doesn't necessarily mean cash. Who's living the lifestyle with no visible means? Who's driving the luxury cars? You get my drift.

Just out of interest I researched via the UK Charity Commission website my local JW KH and its trustees, then did a Google view search. Interesting, to say the least.

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A Never-Was JW's Response

by Joe Grundy in

i never was a jw.. my traditional response to jws calling at the door was to raise 'the issues' - standard stuff.

they don't come so often now.. when the arc was going out live, i watched most of the broadcasts.

i was struck by just how poorly the head honchos performed.

Joe Grundy

I never was a JW.

My traditional response to JWs calling at the door was to raise 'the issues' - standard stuff. They don't come so often now.

When the ARC was going out live, I watched most of the broadcasts. I was struck by just how poorly the head honchos performed. Here we had the heads of the Australia branch, including its chief legal adviser, and TBH they were risible.

Then Jackson was interviewed (and I noted the shenanigans that went on - and the almost unheard-of apology by the WT lawyer).

His performance was a PR disaster for the organisation.

In future, my response at the door will be limited to an expression of sincere sympathy (that the caller is in a corrupt cult) and a recommendation that they watch the ARC proceedings on the (recently approved) internet.

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The Man With a Secretary's Inkhorn - who he, and does he wear flip-flops?

by rory-ks in

at the agm this year geoffrey jackson identified the "man with a secretary's inkhorn," of ezekiel chapter 9 as being jesus christ.

this was declared an "adjustment" from the previous understanding that the organisation used to believe that this "man" was "the annointed.".

has the society always taught that the "man with the secretary's inkhorn" was someone other than jesus - or is this a situation where back in the mists of time the bible students understood him to be jesus, and then rutherford (or someone) identified him as "the annointed," and now they have reverted back to their initial belief?.

Joe Grundy

I never was a JW.

I watched Jackson's testimony before the ARC.

He is a liar, a prevaricator, and has no credibility whatsoever.

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Where are you from?

by BeautifulMind in

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friends

i know we are all anonymous for our own personal reasons, so i understand if you would rather not say.

but if you don't mind sharing that would be cool.

i currently live in georgia, usa.

Joe Grundy

Pembrokeshire, West Wales, UK.

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WT Failure To Engage In Charitable Works

by Joe Grundy in

i never was a jw.. wtbts and its hydra-headed organisations world wide has charitable status.

yet, as far as i can see, it carries out little or no real charitable works.. last weekend my son and his friends did a 420 km cycle ride and mountain walk in aid of a local hospice at home charity.

they've raised (so far) 5,000. this charity makes a real difference.. this a video of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ijr7ipvrek&feature=youtu.be.

Joe Grundy

Well, not my place as I never was a JW ...

But I say 'Bollocks' to their claim to be a charitable organisation.

And I will say this to the next (in a long line) of JWs who come to my door.

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WT Failure To Engage In Charitable Works

by Joe Grundy in

i never was a jw.. wtbts and its hydra-headed organisations world wide has charitable status.

yet, as far as i can see, it carries out little or no real charitable works.. last weekend my son and his friends did a 420 km cycle ride and mountain walk in aid of a local hospice at home charity.

they've raised (so far) 5,000. this charity makes a real difference.. this a video of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ijr7ipvrek&feature=youtu.be.

Joe Grundy

Thanks.

This was a happy weekend, although all involved were completely knackered. (I am the smiling guy with the take-away coffee!).

What struck me was that these are ordinary ('wordly') people, doing something for other people.

The WT people - who have no idea - just can't touch this in terms of 'charitable' work. And they deserve (IMHO) to be condemned for this.

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WT Failure To Engage In Charitable Works

by Joe Grundy in

i never was a jw.. wtbts and its hydra-headed organisations world wide has charitable status.

yet, as far as i can see, it carries out little or no real charitable works.. last weekend my son and his friends did a 420 km cycle ride and mountain walk in aid of a local hospice at home charity.

they've raised (so far) 5,000. this charity makes a real difference.. this a video of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ijr7ipvrek&feature=youtu.be.

Joe Grundy

I never was a JW.

WTBTS and its hydra-headed organisations world wide has charitable status. Yet, as far as I can see, it carries out little or no real charitable works.

Last weekend my son and his friends did a 420 km cycle ride and mountain walk in aid of a local hospice at home charity. They've raised (so far) £5,000. This charity makes a real difference.

This a video of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IjR7IPVRek&feature=youtu.be

Of course, I am inordinately proud of my son and these guys. But these are ordinary guys, motivated by nothing more than 'ordinary' humanity.

What a contrast - and what a waste of effort by JWs.

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Vincent TOOLE

by Joe Grundy in

i have just reviewed the arc evidence given by this man.

it is pathetic.. i am now retired, but until then my professional life was spent in the legal arena.

toole fumbles his way through his answers, fails to understand the principle of 'instructions', and so much more.

Joe Grundy

I have just reviewed the ARC evidence given by this man. It is pathetic.

I am now retired, but until then my professional life was spent in the legal arena. Toole fumbles his way through his answers, fails to understand the principle of 'instructions', and so much more. The ARC can't fail to have picked up this sort of stuff.

Toole has proved himself to be a dickhead. That he was -apparently - senior legal counsel for WTBTS Australia can only make them a laughing-stock.

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If she doesn't comply an orange jumpsuit is in her future

by DJS in

scotus: kentucky clerk must issue same-sex marriage licenses.

by ariane de vogue, cnn supreme court reporter.

updated 8:02 pm et, mon august 31, 2015. let's hope this is the final screech from the haters who wrap themselves in the bible - or their egoist political philosophy i doubt it will be, but let's hope..

Joe Grundy

This is a comment from a British citizen, a never-was JW, and someone who was a cop for 30+ years.

I swore an an oath when I was appointed. That gave me powers and responsibilities, for which I was personally liable. It made me liable to prosecution at Common Law for misconduct in my office. The powers were substantial.

I exercised my powers in accordance with the law. That changed from time to time. If at any time I had found that what the law required me to do was incompatible with my personal beliefs I could have resigned my appointment.

I have, I am afraid, no sympathy at all for this woman or her supporters. She has been found to be in contempt of court, has failed to purge her contempt, and has properly been punished for that contempt. In an organised society, where the courts are the guardians, there could be no other outcome. One complies with the law, or on suffers the penalty.

It is interesting to contemplate alternative scenarios. What if, for example, there was a US state, or county, where Islamic voters prevailed and it was legal for a man to have three (or more) wives? A county clerk (because of her religious beliefs) declined to issue marriage licences for the second and third marriages? If the majority democratic will of that state/county was otherwise, what would happen?

This is not a purely hypothetical question.

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ARC Review

by Joe Grundy in

i've been looking again at the coverage of the arc examination of jw witnesses.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bonw67c9sew.

in particular, watch this again from 1h47m to the end.. i think i've made this point elsewhere, but you will rarely see this sort of thing happening in courts (maybe outside tv perry mason stuff).. in the context of british/aussie polite courtroom speak, the witness is accused of lying, his (the wt) lawyer is quick to disassociate himself from the lies, the lawyer offers a consultant's sick certificate, the judge tells him 'that won't help', and jackson is scheduled for the following week.. this doesn't happen very often and stripping away the polite courtroom speak is very revealing..

Joe Grundy

I've been looking again at the coverage of the ARC examination of JW witnesses.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BONW67c9SEw

In particular, watch this again from 1h47m to the end.

I think I've made this point elsewhere, but you will rarely see this sort of thing happening in courts (maybe outside TV Perry Mason stuff).

In the context of British/Aussie polite courtroom speak, the witness is accused of lying, his (the WT) lawyer is quick to disassociate himself from the lies, the lawyer offers a consultant's sick certificate, the judge tells him 'that won't help', and Jackson is scheduled for the following week.

This doesn't happen very often and stripping away the polite courtroom speak is very revealing.